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Kovu Vitani and Nukas Fathers-Giza and Kijani- by DJ88 Kovu Vitani and Nukas Fathers-Giza and Kijani- by DJ88
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Watch these scenes and then tell me that Nuka/Vitani/Kovu are Scar's cubs.
Though these two are in fact Deleted scenes, they were prolly cut due to film time. As much as they could have helped to better explain the story. There prolly wasnt enough time (or perhaps budget?) for these two scenes to stay in the film.
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then of course, a scene that IS in the film (ignore the fandub :\ )
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If Nuka WAS A product of Scar, Then Nuka wouldn't have called him "Scar"..... more along the lines of FATHER. Or say "Kovu wasn't his son, I am!" but he never said anything, except that Kovu was not Scar's son, and that He (nuka) should/could be king just because he's the "oldest, strongest, and smartest".
NOT because he is Scar's. And Vitani also never calls him father, or states that she is Scar's cub.
And we all also know that its been said that Kovu was not Scar's cub as well.

So what does that leave us with?
Scar with no cubs. Zira as the cubs' mother.
And Zira was just obsessive, devoted, and crazy.

That's it really.

EDIT; IM TIRED OF REPEATING MYSELF!!!!
1. I know incest is "normal" to lions. but the story is a very human story, written by americans in california/florida/newyork/wherever. and to them (us) incest is a taboo, and controversial. so they got rid of it.
IM NOT STUPID! i have researched animals my whole life, especially lions, seeing as they're my favorite. so i think id know by now (im 22) that lions are cousin fuckers!!!

2. it never, EVER was said that in the film that nuka was scar's cub. or vitani, or kovu. the only mentions of it was nuka saying;
"kovu kovu kovu, scar wasn't even his father, he just took him in!"
and i can see how some people would misinterpret that as nuka being jealous that scar chose kovu, and that nuka was really scar's son. but check this out.
DARREL ROONEY (the directer of the film) AND THE HEAD SCENE CHECKER ON TLK2 SAID THAT NEITHER ZIRA OR ANY OF HER CUBS ARE IN ANY WAY STATE OR FORM RELATED TO SCAR OR THE ROYAL FAMILY!!! THAT WOULD HAVE MADE THEM RELATED TO THE ROYAL FAMILY!!
they may have "STARTED" out being scar's cubs.... but then disney thatought "ohmygoawd wait incest!" and they changed it.
doesn nuka look like scar? somewhat yes, he has a bit of the features. and kovu does as well. but hey, zira looks ALOT like scar with very few differences. she may as well have a mane and a set of balls. so mix a dark colored male lion, with zira. and you can get scar look alike babies!
not fucking hard to figure out!!

3. STOP trying to argue what you think the facts are. if you're getting your info from a fanmade story from another artist? ITS NOT DISNEY ISSUED! THERE FOR ITS NOT CANNON!! AND NOT SOLE-TRUTH! like my picture here? NOT DISNEY ISSUED! IM NOT FIGHTING FOR IT!

so all in all? STOP commenting on this that you're against my thoughts. okay? i dont care
lions are inbreds in rl, but not in the movie.
neither zira or any of her cubs are related to scar. get over it.

END RANT.

now, here's the original description;


okay here goes;


Everybody thinks that Zira's cubs are either scar's or just a random rouge male's cubs. Which would play as weird seeing as Zira does NOT appear in the first film, and if they were Scar's then they'd be related to simba/kiara. incest is not a pretty thing. SO! instead of just a "random male lion."
i broke it down to two.....whose names i have not yeat decided and will pick later (no suggesstions please)

so these two are brothers. Zira is in love with the younger one Kijani (the kovu look alike ((until you put them next to eachother and see the differences))) But his older brother, Giza is in love with zira. and zira's pride is basically a "male's world" ((meaning they treat women like dirt. they are just for making babies. zira's mother azola is the strongest, strong parents make strong babies. and so on.)
So, Giza challenges his younger brother for zira's hand.er..paw. Wins, and then zira's love Kijani is banished. she is forced to be with Giza. she bears nuka, and then has an affair with Kijani, whom is a rouge wandering the outskirts of the kingdom. she gets preggers with kovu and vitani. idiot face (Giza)finds out. and then kills her Kijani.
sometime before or after (still in the works of the story here, gimme a break) Zira's father kills Azola. Zira then goes insane and kills idot face (Giza). rallies up the lionesses, and take on the male(s) of the pride. slaughtering them all. with her taking out her father. then she is appointed leader. takes the lionesses to the pride lands, meets scar. scar chooses kovu as the heir, they do or dont stay at pride rock (because they arent in the fight at the end of the movie so im working on that too) yada yada. simba kills scar then the second movie happens 8D

ks;bhn';ngd;KSZNBK;LNB;LDNGB;KDNG

so yeah, their story/zira's story in a nutshell.

ENJOY!



"Their looks"
Nuka's father, Giza obviously is Nukas father, put this guy next to a pic of zira and nuka and you'll see the differences as well as the liknesses.

I made Kovu and Vitani's father, Kijani, to be like a "scruffier" kovu. made his mane a mix of vitani and kovu. and made him darker. i could have mixed his colors with a bit of vitani's. but i decided not to as nuka is dark and so is kovu. and vitani looks soo much like her mother so vitani gets her colorings from her mother's side. and this guy kinda has a "scar beard" thing going on. and def a fuller mane. eyebrows are like a mix of vitani's and kovu's,

all in all. i wanted to make them related because all zira's kids have soo many likenesses yet vitani looks like she could be zira's only real child. they all have darkness around the eyes like scar, and zira doent have that. so they mustive had either the same parent or in my opinion two parents from the same family.

so yeah. again enjoy 8D
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please dun steal story or characters. grazi
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Lionkingfanat Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Nice 
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Cianna200 Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2014
Cool!
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rockblock1000 Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I would've honestly had no issues with The Lion King having incest, Hell I even ship Elsanna if it's that bad XD But anyway, I love the stories and the 2 father's are absolutely perfect, you are completely right that Nuka was never called Scar's cubs. I beliveve that none of them were Scar's cubs, but he just took them all in because Zira was the only lioness w/ cubs at the time. Your theory is very similar to mine, my friend :D Keep up the good work!
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Avatardpegasister Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2014  Student Filmographer
They are so hot! Great job!!!!
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DizzyDezzi Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2013
Hahaha. Nuka's father's whiskers XD. No DNA test needed there. Also Kovu's dad. The face he's making at the other lion.
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Flawed-Perception Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I love your story and ideas and can't believe so many idiotic people are arguing/disagreeing with you.
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boomheart900 Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2013  Student General Artist
i dont act against ur toughs , oh mighty DJ!!!
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scar111 Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yup lions will mate with any lion like cousin's x'D
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boylov Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2013
wow that was a mouthful wasn't it? other than that, i love how you did you research, and the picture is fantastic! is that kovu and nuka as they got older?
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scar111 Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
...read the tile please.
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boylov Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013
sorry -_- *bows in respect*
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scar111 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sorry if I offended you.
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boylov Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2013
oh no please. ^_^ it was a mistake on my part! i was confused when i was looking at it! no need to apologize! thank you though! :D
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scar111 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
k but sorry anyway
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LionDogge Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
COOL!!! I LOVE KIJANI!!!!
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Shinopa Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Someone needs a chill pill. o.O Whether he is the father or not, I have always come to believe that Vitani and Nuka were sired by Scar. Too much this and that and fan fictions.

Nice picture though.
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Nukakun Featured By Owner May 7, 2013
great job!!
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Mydlasfanart Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Professional General Artist
Poor Zira in all of this, the question that come to me is how could she put aside the "I hate males" to become such a devoted follower.... especially if she meet Scar while he's a somewhat good example of what she lived in this terrible pride :(

like it let a room for imagination I guess :3
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puppy450 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I watched all clips. Zira was pushed too hard and too fast with the cubs. She wasn't ready to mother, and when she did turn loving, it was erased by Scar's death.
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DJ88 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Who know how fast she was pushed with the cubs. That too was never explored by the films. All we know is that Zira had the cubs. One was chosen to become king. Her king/love interest/point of obsession Scar, was killed. She , her cubs, and pride all were exile to the outlands. She trains them to hate Simba. And then the second movie happened.
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puppy450 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Nuka's father is Scar.
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DJ88 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That has never been officially confirmed. The most we have to go on are as stated above in my description. Which I shall now copy/paste into this reply also I am sorry if the pasted message sounds angry, when I wrote it/them I was frustrated at the time with having to repeat myself. It's in no way aimed at you xD please do not take it personally. ;

" 2. It never, EVER was said that in the film that nuka was scar's cub. or vitani, or kovu. the only mentions of it was Nuka saying;
"kovu kovu kovu, scar wasn't even his father, he just took him in!"
and i can see how some people would misinterpret that as nuka being jealous that scar chose kovu, and that nuka was really scar's son. but check this out.
DARREL ROONEY (the directer of the film) AND THE HEAD SCENE CHECKER ON TLK2 SAID THAT NEITHER ZIRA OR ANY OF HER CUBS ARE IN ANY WAY STATE OR FORM RELATED TO SCAR OR THE ROYAL FAMILY!!! THAT WOULD HAVE MADE THEM RELATED TO THE ROYAL FAMILY!!
they may have "STARTED" out being scar's cubs.... but then disney thought "ohmygoawd wait incest!" and they changed it.
"doesn nuka look like scar?" somewhat yes, he has a bit of the features. and kovu does as well. but hey, zira looks ALOT like scar with very few differences. she may as well have a mane and a set of balls. so mix a dark colored male lion, with zira. and you can get scar look alike babies!
Not hard to figure out!!


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Watch these scenes and then tell me that Nuka/Vitani/Kovu are Scar's cubs.
Though these two are in fact Deleted scenes, they were prolly cut due to film time. As much as they could have helped to better explain the story. There prolly wasnt enough time (or perhaps budget?) for these two scenes to stay in the film.
[link]
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then of course, a scene that IS in the film (ignore the fandub :\ )
[link]

If Nuka WAS A product of Scar, Then Nuka wouldn't have called him "Scar"..... more along the lines of FATHER. Or say "Kovu wasn't his son, I am!" but he never said anything, except that Kovu was not Scar's son, and that He (nuka) should/could be king just because he's the "oldest, strongest, and smartest".
NOT because he is Scar's. And Vitani also never calls him father, or states that she is Scar's cub.
And we all also know that its been said that Kovu was not Scar's cub as well.

So what does that leave us with?
Scar with no cubs. Zira as the cubs' mother.
And Zira was just obsessive, devoted, and crazy."




So, all in all, believe what you want. If you want Nuka to be Scar's cub, then fine, it's your belief. But I go by cannon/subcannon when it comes to this issue. And due to a change in story, none of Zira's cubs are stated to be scar's offspring. Even though they may look it, or may have started out that way. In the end, they changed it. And they're not Scar's.
(officially Scar hasn't fathered anyone really. Not that we know of.)

Well, yeah. Have a nice day/night. :)
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kovuandvitani Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
looks like nuka and kovu grown up. ~vitani
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DragonriderSC Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
nice work i do like your idea for zira's cubs very creative also love the story of how she became who she is now and i say that the movie would of been a bit more interesting if they followed this story for it gives zira more character but u gonna have to come up with a reason for kovu to think of himself as scar because he believes three's a darkness in him like scars ... wait
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DJ88 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Personally, I'd think that because of the way Zira was raised, I think she would raise her cubs just as fiercely as her father did her without realizing it. Because that's all she would know. She even stated in the film;
"Tomorrow your training intensifies...." right before she sings her Lullaby.

So Kovu would have grown up in such negativity with training, the harshness of his intentions that have been brainwashed into his mind from his mother. It may not be too far fetched for him to feel that he has a darkness in him, because darkness was expected of him, and he was raised in it.

Then again, it's just my opinion. ;)

Oh and thank you for the comment.
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DragonriderSC Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
np and your defiantly right i guess growing up with fire in your heart does kinda do things to you

and with your story its kinda like pushing them to becoming the best was her way of showing she cared if she didn't i don't think she would of much cared about making them the strongest teaching them to assassinate simba and such
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ienzo628 Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Well, in the United States today, incest is very frowned upon. But, if you look at our history, there was a lot of incest. Edgar Allan Poe married his cousin, Virginia Eliza Clemm. And, even our presidents, Franklin Delanore Roosevelt married his distant cousin, Eleanore Roosevelt.
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Facebookadict1999 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
they look like scars cousins or something
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TheDaughterofAngels Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2012
Can I just thank you for typing out that whole thing? I agree with you 100% on the whole family tree thing.
But anyway, I love the way you made the lions look, very well done.
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SamDeanCastielLover Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2012  Student Writer
May I please link your ''rant'' in the description on one of my Lion King ocs? I will credit you. The reason is because I agree with you 100% and I would like to clarify to anyone who sees my oc that this is also what I believe and that I do not want any ''hate'' comments on my ocs picture, you know what I mean?
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Aurorazilla Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Scar is not Kovu's father nor is he proven to be Vitani's. I'm pretty sure that Nuka is the only son of Scar... or, WAS the only son.
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EmokoX Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2012  Student
So true!really what were they thinking!
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SamDeanCastielLover Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2012  Student Writer
Oh my god I LOVE IT! I never found Nuka, Kovu or Vitani to be related to Scar either. GREAT PICTURE

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kwolf97 Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2012
loveee ittt especially the rant part under the picture lol
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WhoDoesNot Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2012
This is awesome!
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srbarker Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Kijani definitely looks like he could be Kovu's daddy. :D
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JinseiKyuzai Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Rooney also stated that during production, Kovu was DESCRIBED as an orphan, and unfortunately, people are getting the false assumption that he's not Zira's son, and I think we all know the reason why: the dad is absent and Kovu doesn't take as much after his mother as his sibs do. Rooney also said "as far back as I can remember", AND called Kovu "one of the most interesting characters", so he can't mean it in THAT sense. NOTHING in the film implies he's a orphan AND they never said that word ONCE. The Lion King Wiki contains a bunch of lies on these subjects, I do not recommend using them as a source. Compare Kovu with Zira side by side at different angles, and you'll see the similarities. That movie is just full of plot holes. I want to make a TLK 3 that will fix these problems. And I want to make it to where they have one father with two eye colors (to explain Kovu and Vitani's). Also, and we can use this rule, Kovu and Vitani are the same height, shorter than Nuka and Zira, and Nuka is slightly shorter than her, so K and V just have to be twins. Now, the best orphan definition for Kovu is, NOT the animal definition, but the definition that he lost his father, all 3 of them did. I'm just a little afraid that some people will oppose me strongly for this, but even TLK original had dumb ass theories, so its unavoidable. I have a full document on my page on all this if anyone cares to read. Sorry, but there is such an abundance of information from the canon material of the film that this just has to be the best explanation.
WARNING: I DO NOT WANT ANYONE ELSE TO RESPOND TO THIS BUT DJ88 IF SHE DOES. DO NOT FLAME AT ME ABOUT YOUR THEORIES. THEORIES WON'T HEAL THE PLOT HOLES. ONLY ANOTHER FILM WILL, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO. I DO NOT WISH TO CONDEMN ANYONE. WE ALL NEED A SOLUTION, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GIVE ALL OF YOU. NOT ALL THE THEORIES WILL STOP, BUT THEY ARE SO WIDESPREAD THAT WE NEED A NEW FILM. I WILL POST DRAFTS OF MY SCRIPT AS SOON AS I AM CAPABLE IF ANYONE CARES TO READ.
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tamiiland Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Nice designs! I'm totally loving Papa Kovu. (;
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tashag6 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
nuka kovu looks older
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AsatrArt Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2012
Title states these are their fathers, not themselves.
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tashag6 Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
oh
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AsatrArt Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2012
:D
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VideoFreakinGames Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
JOY
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PhoenixofLife Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Just go with the movie folks. Unless you hate it like I do and create fanfacts for your own entertainment... don't argue. Yes, originally Nuka, Vitani, and Kovu were going to be Scar's children but that was cut early and their colors were changed for underlying incest tones. Movie says they weren't Scar's and that's that.

That being said... I love those two. They would be the ideal fathers for those three 8D At least in my mind ^_^
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MauEvig Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Here's the part that gets me. Lion King Directors Roger Allers and Rob Minkoff mentioned that Nala could possibly be the daughter of either Scar or Mufasa. But if that's really the case, why didn't Disney have such an issue with incest in the first place? Sounds a little hypocritical to me then that they didn't make Nuka/Vitani/Kovu Scar's kids.

Canon or not, I personally like the idea of Vitani and Nuka being Scar's children, and in that last deleted movie clip you put up, Zira mentioned how she was Scar's devoted Queen. A devoted Queen and someone clearly as obsessed with Scar as she was, couldn't have possibly mated with another lion. There was even another scene where Zira apparently commited suicide because she rather die than join with Scar's enemies.

I know you're right about Nuka/Vitani/Kovu, it's obvious none of Zira's children are Scar's. The very fact that they aren't however, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. However, I'm not blaming you for that, I'm blaming Disney and the poor writing. I liked the characters, I even liked the story, but there were certain elements to the plot that made no sense at all. I feel it was only changed because Disney was afraid people would get butthurt over the incest thing however, but it would have made a LOT more sense if Vitani and Nuka were Scar's, even if Kovu wasn't or was simply adopted to fit the needs of a worthy heir.

I personally see Vitani and Nuka as Scar's kids in my own fanon, but I also realize and understand (even if I don't really accept because it makes no sense) that they aren't Scar's.

But if you think THAT's bad...the entire Kopa is canon/not canon stuff is worse in my opinion. A lot of Kiara haters just like Kopa because he's different and a male heir. I personally like the idea of a female heir.

That said, this was nicely done.
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JinseiKyuzai Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I feel that fans should not have to debate over that dumb crap and your absolutely right! What is there to do? That's where I come in. I wish to one day work on a TLK 3 (not that 1 1/2 BS) that will teach a new life lesson, keep to the franchise's formula, and introduce a few new things. Most important? FILL THE PLOT HOLES, CORRECT ALL THESE MORONS, SHOW HOW A STORY LIKE THIS WOULD REALLY HAPPEN IN THAT FICTIONAL UNIVERSE, AND REVAMP THE LION KING!! RE-RELEASING THE FIRST FILM IN 3D BARELY DID ANYTHING!!!
Proof I can do it?

Star Trek (most recent) film: scripted by fans of the franchise
Muppets 2011 film: scripted by Jason Segel, huge fan of the franchise
BOTH WERE GREAT MOVIES THAT BROUGHT NEW ATTENTION TO THESE SERIES.
A few episodes of Star Trek: scripted by a huge fan because the creators CAME TO HIM!

You think I sound like I mean business or what?
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Skitzo-Picklez Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2011  Student Digital Artist
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Just some proof that Scar isnt Kovu's father c:

I love your theories <3, im sure you put alot of thought into them!
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HisokaIshi Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Its funny because kovus dad is like what's wrong with this guy. And nukas father is like Gerry I'm mean and nasty.
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Lyra-Elante Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
They didn't worry about incest in the first movie because the creators specifically said that Nala's father could be either Mufasa or Scar.
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